Curse

Numa Pompilius · Aug 03, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by Demesis

I've busted 100k making a 55 monk. I've run hundreds of chests runs, I buy low and sell high, I do plenty of 2 man UW and I still come out with a net worth of 33k in storage. Is there something I'm doing wrong or am I just really unlucky for the past 13 months of playing Guild Wars?

Hahahahaha! Yeah, you've got 33K cash in storage... and full stacks of 255 ectos, plus FoW armor and rare weapons on all your 6 characters, right?

Seriously, if you're not making +10K per hour farming UW with a 55 monk, then you're... well, I actually don't know how you manage that. Being AFK?

tear · Aug 03, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

As far as bots/farming goes, the decrease in drops over time isn't really a big deal as they can run 24 hours a day and more "advanced" bot/farming operations will replace the current farmer with a different one every few runs or shift them elsewhere, as a means to reduce the impact of repeat farming per character. Even if they don't they just run all day and still get something out of it.

right - it's usually not a big deal for the ones it's meant to affect. it allows their continued exploitation of the game for their profit and does have an impact on the values of goods and the experiences of actual players that aren't botting/farming for real life money in the game, which is what he's concerned with.

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In short, it's not going to go away any time soon because
1) the economy is flawed by default

it's not flawed, it's just not a real economy, but a game economy. you've in no way explained how that has any affect on anything, however. as the person below you points out, gold sinks are more important than the means in which money is generated in the game, independent of this "flaw" you speak of

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2) there will always be something which is perceived to be worth more than others

wrong. if the rarity of perfect gold weapons was reduced across the board, everything would reflect as much in changed prices. some things would obviously still be worth more than others based on want, as is the case now, but if everything is made more common, nothing new's going to shine through as even more valuable - differences in values would remain, but they'd be scaled down. it's still an awful idea though, so i guess i agree with you on everything else.

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 03, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

OP, makes perfect sense to me, remove the demand and all esle falls into line.

sour fruit · Aug 03, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

I'm a new poster to these forums, i'm new to guildwars also. Having had the game just under 2months, i've 1 pvp and 1 pve character, completed both factions and prophecies...

I completed factions first, with the whole story line, mission drops and rewards, most of the quests and exploring plus some fighting i made a little under 100k. That's basically 100plat for the storyline of Factions.

With this money i brought 15k canthan armour, and collectors weap (a bow and a blood staff).

In prophecies i made a little over 60plat, baring in mind i have done maybe 20 or so of the quests, so not many quests at all. With this i brought a drago's bow for 60plat and a top notch bloodstaff....

Only recently having completed the game and have been selling amber and jade shards have i realised about the market...

There's a point here in my post, completed series 1 + 2 and got the top notch armour and weaps..(yer i realise u can get these zodiac bows for 300plat+ but i see no point in them), these bots and auto farming ppl don't effect me or the economy, you can afford armour and the weaps within the storyline.

Just recently i have learnt about bots, i've seen many of them in the city just above HzH in inter dist 1. However i feel they are doing wrong in the game, but it doesn't affect me, i made my stuff honestly thro the storyline.

Is there a point to having 1(lots of zero's)plat....*1million + plat*....for me?....No....I've realised the titles can be expensive, say 6.5million plat for the treasure, and several million for the drinking one, also the lucky/unlucky ones cost a fair bit...If the people who have alot of money are going to spend it on this then it doesn't really affect the economy too much and individuals.

eternal pho · Aug 03, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Actually chests made prices go down, since golds became a lot easier to obtain..

SolidShadow · Aug 03, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

im spending 6000k on keys for my chest hunt title and only getting like 1000k back from selling the goodstuff so instead of seeing prices go down i would love to see them go up.

Even the best weapons in this game are to easy to get.

you farm some days and around 1 day full time farming i make around 100k

so a 100+ecto weapon you can call cheap.

owyeah 2men uw is for newbies same as 5men sorrows.

when sorrows was there for a week we kept clearing it completely with 3ppl, same as you can now solo uw at the speed of 2.

some hints for farming are , think big. for example yesterday in kurzick elite i had 50 dredge hitting on me, after 5 minutes i found out that i couldnt solo 50 atonce cause they seem to heal faster then i could kill. else they would be all dead.
for the curious guys( monk/ranger ) spiritbond style

just lern to pwn and may the blessing of dwayna be with you all.

Riken Chrono · Aug 04, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

this thread after i read it sounds more either like

A. Complaining about botters and farmers.
B. He doesnt haev enough money to buy what he wants so wants prices to go down so he can buy stuff.

Hyper Cutter · Aug 04, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

I'd like to see the merchant offer more for stuff, personally.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 04, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Riken: pretty obviously B.
Because a crystalline sword and FoW armor is a human *right*, dammit!

beleg curudin · Aug 04, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Do not jump to conclusions, if anything, I am complaining about botters, not that i am dirt broke.

Shadow of Light · Aug 04, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Pretty items cost so much because people are willing to do so. If it's a popular item, it costs more. If no one wants to buy something, it'll obviously be cheap (or sold to a merchant).

YunSooJin · Aug 04, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by beleg curudin

Having bought a platinum blade for 100k +60 ecto, and having 1400k between two accounts, i wish people would stop assuming this is me complaining i do not have enough gold. I have plenty and to spare. But I question why I should have to spend and out bid on so many items, with this 100k+.

I often go with collector items (tip: collector items cannot be salvalged, so no chance of recovering lost mods) But when I do want to treat myself to a fancy looking item, I have to pay almost a fortune for it. This is what is annoying.

So do not jump to conclusions, if anything, I am complaining about botters, not that i am dirt broke.

yeah seriously! you should be able to afford everything you ever wanted at a flat rate of 30k.

man how come everything is so broken.

Riken Chrono · Aug 04, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

hey someone agrees with me! rite on numa

Riceboi · Aug 04, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

I think it's fine the way it is because Anet added in a bunch of perfect greens with soloable bosses, therefore they are not that expensive as they could have been.

Hengis · Aug 04, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

With the exception of the uber-rare skins, prices have fallen through the floor in the last few months.

Even the majority of perfect mods sell for very little these days.

This to me has taken a lot of the excitement out of the game. There is none of the "Wow!" factor on finding a weapon with a perfect mod, and then successfully salvaging it any more.

These days I merchant 99.9% of my drops as there are always a dozen other people trying to sell the exact same things I have picked up.

One example recently, I got a staff with a perfect +30hp Hale staff head. Salvaged it, got the mod, but could not sell it for even 2K. I eventually gave it away.

The has to be a balance between making it possible for everyone to get a shot at owning a perfect weapon without resorting to buying money on e-bay, and the feeling of excitement I used to get on finding a perfectly modded weapon. These days I just dont get that feeling of excitement any more and I feel the balance has swung too far in the favour of everyone having a "right" to perfect weapons within a week of owning the game.

As always, just my opinions.

huMptY DumPty · Aug 04, 2006, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by beleg curudin

Having bought a platinum blade for 100k +60 ecto, and having 1400k between two accounts, i wish people would stop assuming this is me complaining i do not have enough gold. I have plenty and to spare. But I question why I should have to spend and out bid on so many items, with this 100k+.

Lmao... plat blade for 100k+60ectos... I feel sorry for ya dude.

You must be scammed or something ~~~ payback to the scammer!!!!

Deacon Roswell · Aug 04, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Hengis Stone

One example recently, I got a staff with a perfect +30hp Hale staff head. Salvaged it, got the mod, but could not sell it for even 2K. I eventually gave it away.

While giving it away is a nice thing to do, that mod is very easy to sell. I've sold several at 5k recently and a few for 10k on the auction site. It didn't even take much time either. Where were you trying to sell at?
Selling isn't for everyone either. I hate standing around trying to sell stuff in game because there isn't much that is "rare" now so someone else is probably trying to sell the same thing too. I end up selling to the merchant alot of times because I simply won't sell good stuff at rediculously low prices to other players. You always here "how much? I could buy 10 of those for cheaper!". My reply is simple, then why are you here trying to haggle my fair price?
Selling is all about timing. It always has been. My advice, use the auction here at Guildwarsguru.com. It takes about 2 minutes to post an auction then it's hands free.

bad person · Aug 04, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by beleg curudin

Having bought a platinum blade for 100k +60 ecto, and having 1400k between two accounts, i wish people would stop assuming this is me complaining i do not have enough gold. I have plenty and to spare. But I question why I should have to spend and out bid on so many items, with this 100k+.

I often go with collector items (tip: collector items cannot be salvalged, so no chance of recovering lost mods) But when I do want to treat myself to a fancy looking item, I have to pay almost a fortune for it. This is what is annoying.

So do not jump to conclusions, if anything, I am complaining about botters, not that i am dirt broke.

You don't have to do anything. You choose to purchase rare skinned items, you're not being forced. If you don't want to spend that kind of gold on an item then don't. It always amazes me how many people bitch and moan about what they have to do to get something they want. Complain when it's something you need, not just want.

beleg curudin · Aug 04, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by huMptY DumPty

Lmao... plat blade for 100k+60ectos... I feel sorry for ya dude.

You must be scammed or something ~~~ payback to the scammer!!!!

No I was not scammed, i just got over anxcious and jumped the gun on the b/o offer. I later got a 14^50% zodiac sword drop, and turned around and sold the platinum blade for 100k +11 ecto.

Akhilleus · Aug 07, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

the fact of the matter is; if anything anet should MASSIVLY decrease gold item droprates. i G U E R E N T E E you GW players would play the game longer and be more likely to get later GW games.
why?
because GW is not one of those games where you NEED an 8 15.50 crystalline or dwarven or +30 -2 magmas. you can easily get items with the exact same (usually better) mods from the weapons crafters for 3-15k (some have more expensive materials), which, you can EASILY get by playing the game from begining to end. noone in gw can claim they need high value vanity skins in order to operate. the sole reason for the existence of these items is to provide some level of meta-game incitation to continue. after you beat the game you move to pvp, building multiple chars, collecting precious items, whatever the case may be. its a form of non-essential post-plot game enhancement that is 100% optional and 100% seperate of the game itself.
look what happened to ch2; what is an 8 15>50 golden phoenix blade worth in comparison to an 8 15>50 crystalline? A: virtually nothing. why? because so many of them have flooded the market you cant take a leak without pissing on one lying on the ground; there are however (to this old-world high-end traders knowledge) less than a dozen 8 15.50 crystallines (i can substantiate no more than 8; out of tens of millions of items farmed). and do crystallines look good? almost unanimously people will agree: no. oni blades, sunqua blades, gothic swords, brute swords, longswords, etc, all have interesting, unique and eye-candy-like skins, while crystallines are farily bland and quite frankly ugly. would that stop rich players form paying tens of millions for a perfect one? no. why? rareity.
and this is an extreme example of the bottom line fact that the sole reason these items are worth a lot is because they are rare, and because they are rare few people can afford them, and because few people can afford them they become status symbols, and because of that, other people desire them. but imagine if everyone got a free 8 15.50 crystalline with the inception of their account, do you think they would be worth more than 50k inside of a month? probably not. and what would happen to the people who spent millions on their 8 15.50, 15 while enchanted, 15% while in a stance, etc crystallines? many would quit.
now some of you are thinking "good, they are stuck up richie rich ebayers anyway and the game is better that they are gone," perhaps, but imagine they did this with every item skin, or at least every one of value. all of a sudden you would wreck the time and effort put in by rich players, middle-class, lower middle class; and all of them would probably quit as well, and all that would be left are people with the same equipment all around, and very very quickly the pve content would get booring, as there would be nothing to strive for after beating the game content, and then these people would quit. and before you know it, gws population dwindles to a few thousand people with the exact same crap.
even if this didnt happen; if the rich players quit, who will the middle-class sell their fancy wares too? other middle-class players who ahve the same things? no, they would lose their item market, go broke, and quit, and once again we end up with the same enevitable scenario.
dont believe me that its possible? the same people who made diablo2 made gw, and look what happened with diablo2, after the rarest items in the game became commonplace the rich players quit, then the middle-class, then many of the poorer players with a penchant for pvp quit, and whats left of the game now? an empty shell of its former glory. and in d2, high end items were actually different in stats; in GW, they arent. the only thing that keeps thousands and thousands of people playing is the rarity of skins; sure you might not like the idea of people like me buying/selling things worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions, but if item drops increased enough and traders like me quit, then to what purpose is there farming? none. so when the traders quit, so do the farmers, and when the farmers quit, all of a sudden the supply for items becomes nil since the farmers arent going to spend 15 hours a day farming items only worth 10k, and sooner or later GW ends up as a barren wasteland of people with the same crap; in your quest to make the items you cant afford more common, you'd just make them worthless, and at the same time, even harder to come accross.
already hundreds if not thousands of people have quit or refuse to touch factions items due to their over-saturation fo the market and highly depreciated value; hundreds of people took massive losses by purchasing them in the opening days of factions, only to have them be worthless but a month later; and the economy is in the worst state of existence it has ever been in, its nearly impossible to sell anything since everyone already has 15 of them, and its impossible to buy rares (for most people) because the small amount of money they make off their factions items disallows them from trading for more rare equipment. anyone can become self-sufficient these days, but it is far more difficult now than it has ever been to bridge the gap of "average wealth" to "wealthy," simply because the few people who have rare items in general wont give them up for the ability to buy crap they can get from anyone at any time, for a next to nothing price.

/end rant.
-Akh